Recently, the country of India has been featured in popular media with increasing frequency. The most recent issue of The Economist featured a special report on India titled, “India: In Search of a Dream”.
The report said that, “Labour laws that help make Indian workers as costly to employers as much better-paid Chinese ones need to be scrapped. Foreign-investment rules need to be loosened to raise standards in finance, higher education and infrastructure. The state’s role in power, coal, railways and air travel needs to shrink. Archaic, British-era rules on buying land need to be changed.”
Ravi Agarwal, founder and director of ToxicsLink, and Dunu Roy, director of Hazards Centre, both in New Delhi, offered alternative views of development in interviews conducted by Empowerment Media on September 24th and 25th, 2012.
Below are notable quotes from their interview transcripts:
“You have to understand the world we live in and it’s not a question of we are destroying the earth, it’s actually we are destroying ourselves. The earth will survive long after we’ve gone. The earth is not going to get destroyed. We are destroying ourselves by doing this kind of rubbish. So we need to re-think the notion of development.“
“The whole idea of development is skewed, it’s ridiculous. You say we rape the earth more and more and that’s development. How can you think like this? It’s illogical.”
“This is how economists are thinking: there is this wealth that lies at the bottom that needs to be extracted in order to get at GDP.
A revealing glimpse into this is that the companies that were given these contracts for solid waste management by the municipalities were basically supposed to take the waste as it accumulates and transfer it to the landfills, and their income would come from what they get paid per ton for waste delivered at the landfill. So initially their interest is to increase the tonnage of what they take to the landfill But they have discovered in the last one year or so that in fact what they take to the landfill has a lot of recyclable stuff. and therefore they’re denying the waste picker these recyclables and saying we are going to take that waste, so what happens is that recyclable get subtracted from that total amount, so they are getting paid less by municipalities. But what happens is that the small tonnage they take out as recyclables they’re getting about 10 times more income out of that recyclable. So in a sense they are taking the waste picker out of the scene itself not in terms of collecting and segregating the recycle, but in terms of the waste picker having control over the recycle and being able to sell it. So they’re saying you continue collecting, you continue segregating but WE will take over the sale.
That explains how the formal organization gobbles up a chunk of the profit and they leave it to the informal sector. This is the wealth at the bottom of the pyramid that these economists are talking about. And they talk about it so glibly, as if they’re doing the poor a good deed, they’re not, they’re basically extracting more and more surpluses out of them. That’s globalization. That’s the wealth at the bottom of the pyramid. ”
“The answer is very simple the pyramid needs to be inverted. This business of the people at the top taking away all the labor, all the products, all the, in a sense, creativity, of the large majority at the bottom, this has to stop. And the large majority has to begin asserting that this is our product, this is our right.”
“Globalization has also resulted in the production stream getting increasingly informalized, which means that the global retail chains and the global branding organizations, they only retain control over the final product which they are assembling. But all the components that come together for that product are not being undertaken by that company. They are being outsourced.
This outsourcing is very often into the informal sector, and if you look at global trends, we find this informal sector has grown by leaps and bounds.
We find in India for example that it has grown to about 92 percent of the work force. and it’s responsible at the moment for about 60 percent of GDP. So that shows how a very large part of the work force is contributing to a very large portion of GDP but because it’s distributed, if 92 percent are contributing 60 percent that also means they’re very poorly paid and they’re very informally structured into the whole realm of production and that in turn contributes to illegality. Because if they’re informal they’re very likely to be illegal, and because they’re illegal that cuts down on the cost of production.
So all these three things are tied together and this cutting down on cost of production eventually means that the last player in the chain who is formal and organized is getting the maximum benefits and profit from the entire process.”
“The global market has led to a standardization of the consumer goods themselves. This standardization means that the waste is also getting standardized. It’s no longer a diverse waste. So what you’re getting very often is a large accumulation of waste, but many of these wastes are no longer recyclable. For example when you have plastic bonded with paper, that is coming into the waste stream, that is no longer useful because you cannot separate the plastic from the paper and recycle both of them separately, so that itself becomes non-recyclable.”
“It is in many ways a rebellion of the slaves. Saying we are not going to be slaving for you any more. And the waste pickers are part of this. And my understanding is they are going to lead the charge against development, they are going to say this development is ruinous it’s ruinous for human beings, it’s ruinous for next generations and we need to do something about it.”
“There are all these things that work with creating a narrative for making a more clean and green city, as the slogan goes, but a less equitable city where livelihood is not considered as part of the environmental future here.”
“I think what is less understood in the West, because systems have been lost there, is that you cannot understand environment without bringing the human factor in. The environment is not sustainable for somebody from Mars it has to be sustainable for the society. When you think of this society as being environmentally sustainable it has to have people’s involvement in that sustainability.”
“What is happening now is there is this whole slew of technological push, bringing in new technologies and ways of thinking as the future of sustainability where I think they come from societies where they’re questioning sustainability themselves. North America and Europe are questioning what sustainability is going to imply. Here the answers are already there but there is not a space for them to be expounded, because somehow there is a belief that progress and development will answer the ecological question, but you see around the world progress and development have not answered the ecology question. Why would we have climate change? progress and development have not answered those questions, those questions are not even addressed.”
“There’s this dominance in how we think about futures which play a role in how we act with waste pickers and I think we need to look back to look ahead, and if you look back at the waste picking community it shows you wehre to look for the future. It’s not that we have to let them be the way they are, but certainly they have some of the answers we need for the future.”
“There is a lot of pressure both self built and through other institutional spaces, both national and global, which shapes the debate and almost pre-determines the decisions, which creates a fear for not going down the beaten path. Whereas you would say in India the beaten path is somehting else, but now India is looking for the future, it is looking to become a developed country and somehow all these things go along with development.
If you look at international institutions, you will see even very powerful institutions, like the climate change instituations push for technologies like incineration, and they give them money for CDM as carbon credits but they don’t see the carbon credits which individual waste pickers bring too, and donate by recycling natural resources.
Then there are things like, incineration is very popular in some parts of the world, especially western Europe, and the reason is it’s a cold, cold part of the world, so when you create energy from waste you use it for heating, so it becomes part of the community. You have incinerators in Zurich, for example, and they provide heating to very cold climates. Here (India) you don’t need heating. It is sweltering hot! So you create energy, and then you create heat from the energy, two conversions, which as an engineer I’ll tell you that the conversion efficiency is less than 15%. So it makes no sense even in terms of cash flows.
If you look at technically some of these solutions which are very valuable in Europe, they are not equally valid in India, you need a different set of solutions but somehow these things are not being factored in by municipalities and they are not pushing the rights of waste pickers.”